Halldór Jónsson

6.8.2018 | 12:35

Þörf upprifjun

hjá Gunnari Rögnvaldssyni þegar síbylja kommanna gegn Bandaríkjunum drynur dag og nótt. Komma-og Píratadótið með aðstoð góða fólksins reynir allt sem það getur til að sverta Bandaríkin og snúa sögunni á hvolf.

Gunnar segir:

"Af hverju eru fjölmiðlar endalaust að tala um einmitt þessar loftárásir sem Bandamenn stóðu fyrir og svo það sem gerðist í Hirosima og Nagasaki? Það er eins og að menn séu að reyna að snúa sögunni á hvolf og búa til eins konar fjarvistarsönnun fyrir þá sem stóðu fyrir þessum ósköpum. Þetta fólk -tapararnir- stóð fyrir 75 prósent af því mannfalli sem varð í Síðari heimsstyrjöldinni, þar sem það var á við samanlagt mannfall í styrjaldarsögu síðustu 300 ára þar á undan

Tapararnir: Þjóðverjar, Japanir og öxulveldin drápu sem sagt 75 prósent af þeim tæplega 70 milljón manns sem létu lífið í Síðari heimsstyrjöldinni. Tuttugu og sjö þúsund manns misstu lífið að meðaltali á dag. Af hverju er verið að vorkenna þessu fólki svona hina síðustu marga áratugi? Er verið að reyna að snúa sögunni á hvolf? Er verið að reyna að koma vonda-stimplinum yfir á Bandamenn, sigurvegarana? Frelsarana sjálfa!

Og ekki nóg með það, þá voru 80 prósent þeirra sem féllu í heimsstyrjöldinni sem þetta fólk stóð fyrir, óbreyttir borgarar. Japanir drápu sjö sinnum fleira fólk en þeir misstu, sem er ótrúlegt hlutfall þegar um tapara er að ræða. Og nú eru menn byrjaðir að impra á þýskum kjarnorkuvopnum í Þýskalandi. Og Þýskaland er þegar orðið það land í Evrópu þar sem andúð eða jafnvel hatur á Bandaríkjunum mælist hve mest. Hvað er að?

Það sem Þýskaland stóð fyrir í Evrópu var verra en Svarti dauði fyrir álfuna. Mannfallið var meira. Og þökk sé Evrópusambandinu, hefur Þýskaland nú sest ofan á meginland álfunnar og er byrjað að kúga það, einu sinni enn. Svo virðist sem fólk hafi almennt misst áttavitann sinn. Hvorki Hitler né Stalín stóðu í sláturiðnaði á þjóðunum einhentir. Almennir Þjóðverjar vissu nákvæmlega hvað var að gerast í Evrópu undir stjórn Hitlers, en aðhöfðust ekkert. Alveg eins og þeir aðhafast ekkert núna, þegar Þýskaland er að ganga frá Suður-Evrópu, efnahagslega séð, og hafa nú þegar kálað Grikklandi. Sameining Þýskalands er greinilega misheppnuð í þessu tilliti og Gyðingahatur víða í Evrópu er á hraðri uppleið á ný

Hvað með að segja sögu þeirra sem stöðvuðu þetta helvíti. Og hvað með að segja söguna eins og hún er. Það er gott að fá hér persónulega sögu af málinu og henni fagna ég, en stóra myndin verður samt ávallt að vera heiðskýr og klár. Það virðist hún því miður ekki vera lengur, hjá mörgum þeim sem fjalla um söguna í dag, því svo margir eru hættir að þola sannleikann og segja hann því ekki eins og hann er. Aðvörunarljósin blikka því á ný. Fælnimáttur sannleikans dvínar hratt, því honum þarf að viðhalda og efla, en það er ekki gert. Evrópa er því byrjuð að springa í loft upp á ný"

Bandaríkjamenn hafa stillt til friðar í Evrópu þrisvar á síðustu rúmri öld og komið í veg fyrir marga harmleiki. En þetta fólk snýr út úr og rægir allt sem gert var til að stöðva brjálæðinga álfunnar. Þess vegna er gott að hugsa um söguna út frá þeim rökum sem að baki lágu þeim ákvörðunum sem mest er rangsnúið eins og þeim sem Truman tók í Japansstyrjöldinni.

Gunnar Rögnvaldsson á þakkir skyldar fyrir þessa þörfu upprifjun.

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Athugasemdir

Já, sagan er farin að fyrnast hjá mörgum. Stríðinu lauk á vesturvígstöðvunum þann 8/5 1945, þegar þjóðverjar gáfust upp, en bandamaður þeirra á austurvígstöðvunum, japanir,ekki fyrr en þann 6/8 1945 - og þurfti kjarnorkusprengjur til.

Kolbrún Hilmars, 6.8.2018 kl. 14:23

Það er bara horft á töluna hundraðþúsund í Hírósíma og skrifað sem níðingsverk á Bandaríkjamenn. En hvað voru þeir að vernda af eigin mannslífum? Voru Japanir allt í einu friðhelgir en bandarískir hermenn réttdræpir?

Halldór Jónsson, 6.8.2018 kl. 15:11

Og hvað spöruðu japanir sér mörg mannslíf með þ´vi að gefast upp þegar þeir létu verða af því eftir að sjá framan í skelfinguna sem beið Japan?

Halldór Jónsson, 6.8.2018 kl. 15:12

Kertafleytingaliðið og góða fólkið virðist ekki velta því mikið fyrir sér.

Halldór Jónsson, 6.8.2018 kl. 15:13

Milljónaþjóðir þarna austurfrá fengu frelsi þegar japanir gáfust upp. Það virðist gleymt líka.

Kolbrún Hilmars, 6.8.2018 kl. 15:20

Málið er nútímamál, sem snýst um þá ógn sem stafar NÚNA af því að kjarnorkuveldin níu eiga nú tugþúsundir kjarnavopna, sem sum hver hafa tíu þúsund sinnum meiri sprengimátt hvert um sig en sprengjurnar sem féllu á Japan.

Málið snýst um vopnabúnað, sem getur drepið allt mannkynið nokkrum sinnum, en ekki bara tvö prósent af mannkyninu eins og gerðist í Heimsstyrjöldinni síðari.

Málið snýst um kjarnavopnin, þar sem Hiroshimasprengjan var sú fyrsta og Rússar og Bandaríkjamenn eiga nær allan kjarnorkubúnað NÚNA, og þótt Japanir og Þjóðverjar hafi drepið langflesta 1937-45 hafa þeir aldrei átt og eiga ekki enn kjarnavopn.

Ómar Ragnarsson, 6.8.2018 kl. 15:49

Loftárásir á borgir eru aldrei réttlætanlegar.

Enginn verður "hetja" af því að gera loftárásir á borgir.

Harla einkennilegt að réttlæta fjöldamorð á óvopnuðu fólki með því að þannig hafi einhverjum öðrum verið bjargað.

Þorsteinn Briem, 6.8.2018 kl. 15:58

"Aerial bombing against civilian cities was not a new phenomenon; the British had already experienced such raids in WWI conducted by German Zeppelins.

However, the advance in aircraft technology brought bombing to a new level."

"As the war progressed heavy bombers such as the British Avro Lancaster bombers made their entrances in the war and carpet bombing entire industrial cities with their great payloads."

"The lack of accuracy for these bombing missions often inflicted damage to non-military areas; the Allies knew it, but felt it was an inevitable part of war.

Some precisely used this tactic against Germany, such as Royal Air Force Bomber Command's Air Marshal Arthur Harris.

His area bombing campaigns were meant to demoralize the German population, but it became a matter of controversy immediately following the war as his campaigns were accused of being terror bombing."

The aerial bombings of Hamburg, Dresden, and other cities 1942-1945

Þorsteinn Briem, 6.8.2018 kl. 15:59

Vesturlandabúar vita fátt um hernám Japana þarna austur frá á stríðsárunum og sum þeirra áður: Eins gott að telja löndin bara upp:
Korea, Vietnam, Laos, Malaysia, Singapore, Hong Kong, Indokina. Brúna yfir Kwaifljótið (með stríðsföngum) byggðu þeir til þess að ná Burma líka.
Það dugði sjálfsagt ekkert smærra en kjarnorka á slíkt hernámsveldi.

Kolbrún Hilmars, 6.8.2018 kl. 15:59

"Within the first two to four months of the bombings, the acute effects killed 90,000-166,000 people in Hiroshima and 60,000-80,000 in Nagasaki, with roughly half of the deaths in each city occurring on the first day.

The Hiroshima prefecture health department estimated that, of the people who died on the day of the explosion, 60% died from flash or flame burns, 30% from falling debris and 10% from other causes.

During the following months, large numbers died from the effect of burns, radiation sickness, and other injuries, compounded by illness.

In a US estimate of the total immediate and short term cause of death, 15-20% died from radiation sickness, 20-30% from burns, and 50-60% from other injuries, compounded by illness.

In both cities, most of the dead were civilians, although Hiroshima had a sizeable garrison."

The atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki

Þorsteinn Briem, 6.8.2018 kl. 16:03

Bandaríkjaher í Víetnam:

"Air force captain, Brian Wilson, who carried out bomb-damage assessments in free-fire zones throughout the delta, saw the results firsthand.

"It was the epitome of immorality...One of the times I counted bodies after an air strike - which always ended with two napalm bombs which would just fry everything that was left - I counted sixty-two bodies.

In my report I described them as so many women between fifteen and twenty-five and so many children - usually in the arms of their mothers or very close to them - and so many old people."

When he later read the official tally of dead, he found that it listed them as 130 VC killed."

Turse, Nick (2013). Kill Anything That Moves: The Real American War in Vietnam. New York: Metropolitan Books.

Þorsteinn Briem, 6.8.2018 kl. 16:08

Þorsteinn Briem, 6.8.2018 kl. 16:10

Þorsteinn Briem, 6.8.2018 kl. 16:11

Ráðamenn í Japan höfðu fengið valkosti; að gefast upp "or else". Þeir eru sjálfir ábyrgir því stríðið var tapað. Enda frömdu einhverjir þeirra harakiri í kjölfarið og tóku þannig á sig ábyrgð.
Ath, að þegar ég nefndi Indókína hér að ofan átti ég m.a. við Filippseyjar, Taiwan og Indónesískar eyjar.

Kolbrún Hilmars, 6.8.2018 kl. 16:46

Sæll Halldór,

"Af hverju eru fjölmiðlar endalaust að tala um einmitt þessar loftárásir sem Bandamenn stóðu fyrir og svo það sem gerðist í Hirosima og Nagasaki?"

Fólk er alltaf að uppgötva eitthvað nýtt, svo og þar sem að áður var búið ljúga að okkur til fegra Bandaríkin, FDR og alla þessa líka sigurvegara í Síðari Heimsstyrjöldinni.
KV.

"Evidence of Foreknowledge

There is a considerable amount of foreknowledge, in addition to the points above. Here are some more examples:

– Roosevelt wanted to “win the war together” with England. As James Perloffwrites:

“Roosevelt dispatched his closest advisor, Harry Hopkins, to meet British Prime Minister Winston Churchill in January 1941. Hopkins told Churchill: “The President is determined that we [the United States and England] shall win the war together …”

Roosevelt’s intentions were nearly exposed in 1940 when Tyler Kent, a code clerk at the U.S. embassy in London, discovered secret dispatches between Roosevelt and Churchill. These revealed that FDR — despite contrary campaign promises — was determined to engage America in the war. Kent smuggled some of the documents out of the embassy, hoping to alert the American public — but was caught.”

– On November 25th, 1941, FDR received a “positive war warning” from Churchill that the Japanese would strike against America at the end of the first week in December. This warning caused the President to do an abrupt about-face on plans for a time-buying modus vivendi with Japan and it resulted in Secretary of State Hull’s deliberately provocative ultimatum of November 26th, 1941, that guaranteed war.

– On November 26th, 1941, Washington ordered both US aircraft carriers, the Enterprise and the Lexington, out of Pearl Harbor “as soon as possible”. This order included stripping Pearl of 50 planes or 40% of its already inadequate fighter protection. On the same day Cordell Hull issued his ultimatum demanding full Japanese withdrawal from Indochina and all China. The US Ambassador to Japan called this “the document that touched the button that started the war.”

– On November 29th, 1941, Hull told United Press reporter Joe Leib that Pearl Harbor would be attacked on December 7. The New York Times reported on December 8th (“Attack Was Expected,” p. 13) that the US knew of the attack a week earlier.

– On December 1st, 1941, the Office of Naval Intelligence, ONI, 12th Naval District in San Francisco found the missing Japanese fleet by correlating reports from the 4 wireless news services and several shipping companies that they were getting signals west of Hawaii.

– On December 5th, 1941, FDR wrote to the Australian Prime Minister, “There is always the Japanese to consider. Perhaps the next four or five days will decide the matters.”

– Stinnett also notes that it was reported that before the bombing occurred, newspapers were delivered detailing the attack.

Conclusion: Spread the Truth about the Pearl Harbor False Flag Operation

So, as the Pearl Harbor 75th anniversary approaches, approach it from an informed perspective. Those 3,000 Americans died for a lie. Just as with 9/11, thousands of American lives were sacrificed so the US criminal elite had an excuse to go to war. The US was worried by industrial and military strength of Nazi Germany and needed a backdoor way to enter the war against Germany. Staging a Pearl Harbor false flag op was the only way, leading officials felt, to galvanize the reluctant American public into action.

Pearl Harbor was a carefully orchestrated plot adopted by US President Franklin Roosevelt to lure Japan into attacking and starting a war with the US. It’s time for everyone to know the truth." (http://freedom-articles.toolsforfreedom.com/pearl-harbor-false-flag-75th-anniversary/)

Þorsteinn Sch Thorsteinsson, 6.8.2018 kl. 16:56

Pearl Harbor - False Flag : Franklin Roosevelt knew about Japanese attack and allowed it to happen

Did FDR Have Prior Knowledge Of Pearl Harbor?

Did Roosevelt Let Pearl Harbor Happen?

Þorsteinn Sch Thorsteinsson, 6.8.2018 kl. 17:42

Margt bendir til þess að FDR hafi vel vitað hvað var í aðsigi en undirbúningur var annað hvort hafður enginn af ráðnum hug til að fá ástæðu til að fara í stríðið með sjokk-effekti fyrir þjóðina þó kaldrifjaðra sé en manni líkar eða þetta fór verr en ætlað var með varnirnar á Hawai

Halldór Jónsson, 7.8.2018 kl. 05:00

Sæll aftur Halldór,

Það er annað í þessu sambandi er ég vildi benda þér á varðandi Síðari heimsstyrjöldina og með varpa kjarnorkuvopnum á Hiroshima og Nagasaki, að Harry S. Truman og stjórnvöld í Bandaríkjunum vissu áður um að stjórnvöld í Japan voru langt komin með að gefast upp og semja frið við Rússa. Þannig að það var algjörlega óþarfi að varpa þessum kjarnorkusprengjum á Hiroshima og Nagasaki.

"American intelligence had broken the Japanese codes, knew the Japanese government was trying to negotiate surrender through Moscow, and had long advised that the expected early August Russian declaration of war, along with assurances that Japans Emperor would be allowed to stay as a powerless figurehead, would bring surrender long before the first step in a November US invasion, three months later, could begin."

KV.

Sjá einnig..

"The top American military leaders who fought World War II, much to the surprise of many who are not aware of the record, were quite clear that the atomic bomb was unnecessary, that Japan was on the verge of surrender, andfor manythat the destruction of large numbers of civilians was immoral. Most were also conservatives, not liberals. Adm. William Leahy, President Trumans Chief of Staff, wrote in his 1950 memoir I Was There that the use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender. in being the first to use it, weadopted an ethical standard common to the barbarians of the Dark Ages. I was not taught to make war in that fashion, and wars cannot be won by destroying women and children.

The commanding general of the US Army Air Forces, Henry Hap Arnold, gave a strong indication of his views in a public statement only eleven days after Hiroshima was attacked. Asked on August 17 by a New York Times reporter whether the atomic bomb caused Japan to surrender, Arnold said that the Japanese position was hopeless even before the first atomic bomb fell, because the Japanese had lost control of their own air.

It was a mistake.... [the scientists] had this toy and they wanted to try it out, so they dropped it. Adm. William Bull Halsey

Fleet Adm. Chester Nimitz, Commander in Chief of the Pacific Fleet, stated in a public address at the Washington Monument two months after the bombings that the atomic bomb played no decisive part, from a purely military standpoint, in the defeat of Japan Adm. William Bull Halsey Jr., Commander of the US Third Fleet, stated publicly in 1946 that the first atomic bomb was an unnecessary experiment. It was a mistake to ever drop it. [the scientists] had this toy and they wanted to try it out, so they dropped it

Gen. Dwight Eisenhower, for his part, stated in his memoirs that when notified by Secretary of War Henry Stimson of the decision to use atomic weapons, he voiced to him my grave misgivings, first on the basis of my belief that Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary, and secondly because I thought that our country should avoid shocking world opinion by the use of a weapon whose employment was, I thought, no longer mandatory as a measure to save American lives He later publicly declared it wasnt necessary to hit them with that awful thing. Even the famous hawk Maj. Gen. Curtis LeMay, head of the Twenty-First Bomber Command, went public the month after the bombing, telling the press that the atomic bomb had nothing to do with the end of the war at all.

The record is quite clear: From the perspective of an overwhelming number of key contemporary leaders in the US military, the dropping of atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki was not a matter of military necessity.

American intelligence had broken the Japanese codes, knew the Japanese government was trying to negotiate surrender through Moscow, and had long advised that the expected early August Russian declaration of war, along with assurances that Japans Emperor would be allowed to stay as a powerless figurehead, would bring surrender long before the first step in a November US invasion, three months later, could begin. (https://www.thenation.com/article/why-the-us-really-bombed-hiroshima/)

Þorsteinn Sch Thorsteinsson, 7.8.2018 kl. 14:20

Áhugavert, Þorsteinn. Hvernig skyldi sá uppgjafarsamningur Japana við Stalín hafa hljóðað? Að þeir fengju að halda þegar áunnum öllum landvinningum sínum í Asíu gegn því að láta Burma og Indland í friði?

Kolbrún Hilmars, 7.8.2018 kl. 16:40

Sæl Kolbrún,

Ég var búinn að heyra fyrst einhversstaðar minnst á þetta í bókinni The Emperor's Codes: The Thrilling Story of the Allied Code Breakers Who Turned the Tide of World War II, nú og einnig er finna eitthvað um þetta i samskiptum á milli þeirra Togo utanríkisráðherra Japans og Sato sendiherra Japans, sjá hérna:

http://www.nuclearfiles.org/menu/library/correspondence/togo-sato/corr_togo-sato.htm

"Only after the USSR had made the final decision to wage war against Japan, did the Japanese government abandon its futile attempt through Hirota to conclude an agreement with the Soviets, and requested Soviet mediation to terminate the war. On July 12, Foreign Minister Togo sent a telegram to Ambassador Sato, instructing the ambassador to see Molotov immediately to present the emperors message requesting Moscows mediation to terminate the war. Togo stated that it was the emperors wish to end the war, but made it clear that so long as the Allies demanded unconditional surrender, Japan had no choice but to fight to the last man.."(https://journals.openedition.org/monderusse/9333).

KV.

Þorsteinn Sch Thorsteinsson, 7.8.2018 kl. 21:30

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Based on a detailed investigation of all the facts and supported by the testimony of the surviving Japanese leaders involved, it is the Surveys opinion that certainly prior to 31 December 1945 and in all probability prior to 1 November 1945, Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered the war, and even if no invasion had been planned or contemplated.

That was a conclusion of the 1946 U.S. Bombing Survey ordered by President Harry Truman in the wake of World War II.

Gen. Dwight Eisenhower said in 1963, the Japanese were ready to surrender and it wasnt necessary to hit them with that awful thing.

That wasnt merely hindsight. Eisenhower made the same argument in 1945. In his memoirs, Ike recalled a visit from War Secretary Henry Stimson:

I voiced to him my grave misgivings, first on the basis of my belief that Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary, and secondly because I thought that our country should avoid shocking world opinion by the use of a weapon whose employment was, I thought, no longer mandatory as a measure to save American lives. It was my belief that Japan was, at that very moment, seeking some way to surrender with a minimum loss of face.

Admiral William Leahy, Trumans chief military advisor, wrote:

It is my opinion that the use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender because of the effective sea blockade and the successful bombing with conventional weapons." (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/it-wasnt-necessary-to-hit-them-with-that-awful-thing-why-dropping-the-a-bombs-was-wrong)

Þorsteinn Sch Thorsteinsson, 8.8.2018 kl. 00:58